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Ducking

PostFri May 03, 2024 8:29 am

Hello Blackmagic,

Unfortunately, the ducking function has not been fully thought through by the developers.

You can only automatically duck one lane.
If you have multiple dialogue tracks, you cannot use this ducking function.

In addition, the volume reduction can only be adjusted up to 18 dB. Why can't you lower yourself to total silence? A selection whether in db or % would make sense. From 0 - 100.

Then it would make much more sense if you activated ducking for the desired dialogue track and also had the option to decide which other tracks the ducking affects.

The beginning has been made, but there is still a lot of room for improvement until this function is somewhat perfect.

Before you develop such functions, just ask the community how they imagine such tools and what functionality these tools need so that they can be used sensibly.
I think this can save you a lot of work and time for improvements.

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Re: Ducking - Beta 19

PostFri May 03, 2024 12:13 pm

While your comment sounds a bit 'schoolteacherly', it would get more attention in the beta subforum.
Now that the cat #19 is out of the bag, test it as much as you can and use the subforum.

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Re: Ducking - Beta 19

PostFri May 03, 2024 1:08 pm

Uli Plank wrote:While your comment sounds a bit 'schoolteacherly', it would get more attention in the beta subforum.

Constructive criticism is “schoolteacherly”?! whatever that means.
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Re: Ducking - Beta 19

PostFri May 03, 2024 1:36 pm

It would be unusual to want to duck a track down to zero. In such a case would not a side chained gate be a better option?
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Re: Ducking - Beta 19

PostFri May 03, 2024 1:48 pm

The beginning has been made, but there is still a lot of room for improvement until this function is somewhat perfect.
This is but one example of why the release is labeled 'Beta'. The basic idea is to get a feature out in the real world, make sure the design and implementation are sound, and *then* go to work on tuning it.

You can think of it like editing a video project in passes. Rather than trying to make everything perfect in one go, each pass brings you closer to a finished product.
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Re: Ducking - Beta 19

PostFri May 03, 2024 2:35 pm

Why is this in the wrong forum?
It belongs in:

DaVinci Resolve 19 Public Beta
DaVinci Resolve 19 Public Beta Discussion
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Re: Ducking - Beta 19

PostFri May 03, 2024 4:45 pm

Charles Bennett wrote:It would be unusual to want to duck a track down to zero. In such a case would not a side chained gate be a better option?

Maybe? Maybe not. But why not duck down to zero?
Back in 2007, I worked with a small video editor program that was able to “automatically” perform audio ducking. This program cost 49 euros back then. In the preset you could set the times for how quickly the ducking takes effect and releases, how much dB should be reduced and which tracks the ducking affects.
This audio ducking function is really nothing new. So why not program a sensible tool instead of experimenting with it over and over again.
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Re: Ducking - Beta 19

PostFri May 03, 2024 4:47 pm

Uli Plank wrote:While your comment sounds a bit 'schoolteacherly', it would get more attention in the beta subforum.

I always thought the developers were interested in the opinions of the users; Because in the end it might make the product better and take it further.
The mere fact that normal users are already “pre-filtering” what setting options are useful or not for a function or tool makes me think.
Apparently my ideas are wrong here and my statements about the functionality of new tools are viewed as more than a majestic insult.
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Re: Ducking - Beta 19

PostFri May 03, 2024 11:19 pm

Don't get disheartened with any comments you feel are, shall we say, unhelpful. It happens to the best of us. ;) Remember, a lot of us on the forum have been working with video and audio for a long time and get set in our way of doing things. For instance, I started in professional audio in 1970 and didn't retire until 2016, so I have all those years of doing things in a certain way. :)
The developers do listen. They don't always incorporate all the ideas put forward but many do make it, and get refined as time goes on.
As it is in beta there is a separate section at the top of the Resolve forum for version 19 bug reports and improvement suggestions. There is also a Resolve Feature Request section as well.
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Re: Ducking

PostSat May 04, 2024 7:52 am

Yes, I would have assumed that you could create a Bus for dialogue then have that bus be assigned to duck from another music track. But it seems you can't do that.
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Re: Ducking

PostSat May 04, 2024 4:46 pm

Jamie Dickinson wrote:Yes, I would have assumed that you could create a Bus for dialogue then have that bus be assigned to duck from another music track. But it seems you can't do that.

It's an odd limitation of the ducking feature, isn't it?
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Re: Ducking

PostSat May 04, 2024 5:41 pm

Agreed that the ducking features can be improved a lot, but Resolve 19 is in beta, and this is to be expected. We already discussed this in another previous topic: viewtopic.php?f=38&t=199517

I think searching the forum for open topics would always be more beneficial before opening a new one for the same thing.

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