Why can't you snap one audio event to its neighbor?

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PalmerWoodrow

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Why can't you snap one audio event to its neighbor?

PostThu May 02, 2024 9:16 am

I'm mystified as to what Fairlight is doing here. I just want to extend one timeline event to adjoin its neighbor on a track, snapping to it. But when you drag a handle, the neighboring event just disappears. This is not consistent with behavior on other pages.

Is this a bug? And if not: Why does it do this, and what's the workaround?

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Re: Why can't you snap one audio event to its neighbor?

PostThu May 02, 2024 9:40 am

Are you referring to the ghosted Clip?

Ghosted Clips allow an editor to visually trim by referencing source media extents.

With Audio Track Layers, Clips are exposed on lower layers while trimming and overlapping Clips.
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Re: Why can't you snap one audio event to its neighbor?

PostThu May 02, 2024 9:37 pm

Reynaud Venter wrote:With Audio Track Layers, Clips are exposed on lower layers while trimming and overlapping Clips.


Thanks. I don't know what "clips are exposed on lower layers" means, though. I'm just trying to snap the end of one event on the timeline to the beginning of the next one, as one can do on video tracks. When I click to initiate the drag of the end of one, its neighbor disappears and I don't see any other display of its end or any way to snap to it.
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Re: Why can't you snap one audio event to its neighbor?

PostFri May 03, 2024 5:09 am

Enable Layered Editing (Timeline menu > Layered Audio Editing) and show Layers (View menu > Show Audio Track Layers).

Dragging the right boundary of one Audio Clip across the left boundary of another, results in the actioned Clip being represented on the layer above the other.
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Re: Why can't you snap one audio event to its neighbor?

PostFri May 03, 2024 10:01 pm

Thanks for the info. I've turned that feature on, but I'm not seeing any change in the display.

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Re: Why can't you snap one audio event to its neighbor?

PostSat May 04, 2024 4:07 pm

Are Layers visible? From the video it appears as if Layers are not visible.
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Re: Why can't you snap one audio event to its neighbor?

PostSun May 05, 2024 5:47 am

Thanks for the reply. I activated that option. Is there something else I need to do?
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Re: Why can't you snap one audio event to its neighbor?

PostSun May 05, 2024 6:36 am

Note that there are two settings.

With View menu > Show Audio Track Layers enabled, overlapping Clips are presented differently on the Timeline.

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Re: Why can't you snap one audio event to its neighbor?

PostMon May 06, 2024 8:50 pm

Thanks for the clarification. Do you have any idea why these settings are separate? If that View option is off, the "layered audio editing" one has no effect. So it seems absurd to separate them, and to put them in different menus.
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Re: Why can't you snap one audio event to its neighbor?

PostTue May 07, 2024 8:31 am

PalmerWoodrow wrote:If that View option is off, the "layered audio editing" one has no effect.
Layered Editing is still available even if Layers are not visible.

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Re: Why can't you snap one audio event to its neighbor?

PostWed May 08, 2024 9:01 am

That didn’t happen on my system. See the video above. You pointed out that you also need to have layers visible. I had layered editing on but it does nothing if layers aren’t visible.
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Re: Why can't you snap one audio event to its neighbor?

PostWed May 08, 2024 9:15 am

PalmerWoodrow wrote:You pointed out that you also need to have layers visible.
Correct, to provide visual confirmation of an edit across Clip boundaries.

I had layered editing on but it does nothing if layers aren’t visible.
Not reproducing that behaviour on Resolve 18.6.6 or 19 beta 2.

Which version of Resolve is running? Which macOS version is installed?
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Re: Why can't you snap one audio event to its neighbor?

PostWed May 08, 2024 5:26 pm

Thanks.

Reynaud Venter wrote:Which version of Resolve is running? Which macOS version is installed?


This is v. 19b2 under Mac OS 14.4.1

I'm perplexed, though... I pointed out that "layered audio" mode did nothing on my machine; then you said I needed to make layers visible to see it.

Why is that suddenly not true?
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Re: Why can't you snap one audio event to its neighbor?

PostWed May 08, 2024 6:04 pm

Layered editing is available even if layers are not visible where the top layer will be reproduced and lower layers muted.

Layers may optionally be displayed if visual editing between layers is required, but editing between layers remains possible even when layers are hidden.

Audio editors often cut and fade between stacked Clips on multiple layers without specifically displaying layers.
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Re: Why can't you snap one audio event to its neighbor?

PostWed May 08, 2024 6:36 pm

Pretty interesting, thanks. I hadn't heard of "layered" audio editing before; this prompted me to look it up. For anyone else who's interested, I found this to be a succinct summary:


What I still don't know is why, if I have "layered audio" off, does one audio event not snap to a neighbor when its ends are dragged.

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